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I've been watching some CSPAN today, after seeing the live news on CNN that the House is on the verge of putting the penultimate nail in the coffin of the USA (passing the awful healthcare bill).
The Dems keep saying that Americans need good, affordable healthcare coverage. Over and over, almost every Democratic speaker says our current system needs change, isn't good enough, and we must have affordable, good healthcare. That's true. They say that this bill must be passed to accomplish that goal. That is not true. Actually, this bill promises neither affordable nor good coverage.
I have yet to see what constitutional authority the Dems claim to be acting under, if any. When that question was put to the Speaker by a reporter some days ago, she scoffed "are you kidding me?" as if she and Congress were above such a thing.
On the other side of the aisle, Congressman Boehner asks every committee chairperson, "can you guarantee when this bill comes back from conference it will have the Stupak amendment in it [barring Federal funds for abortions]," as if this amendment somehow makes the bill less execrable, and might convince some additional Representatives to vote for the bill. Well, the amendment does next to nothing to make this dung heap palatable.
As an aside, I wonder when was the last time a President addressed one caucus of one House in Congress...
One other thing that bothers me is the utter failure of state governments to address the health care issue. If health care is such a big issue, so serious and so important, why has virtually every state failed to address the issue in any way? Badger Care being notable as an exception to the rule. Every Governor and state legislator who has wrung their hands about health care but failed to deliver at the state house is a social and political parasite on the body politic. Under the federalist system established by the nation's founders, it is the state governments who are responsible for addressing this issue. The Republicans don't seem too eager to push this issue, as they have their own preferred unconstitutional acts to pursue.
The whole things leaves me thinking that this country is ripe for dissolution. 1,990 pages of social engineering, statism, gobbledygook, special interest whoring, overreaching rubbish. Affordable Health Care Act? That's as Orwellian a title as the Patriot Act. Somebody say how a multi-trillion dollar bill is "affordable." It's not - not to a nation already drowning in debt, counting down the months until insolvency. Don't even quote the CBO cost estimate; they're very consistent about grossly underestimating true costs of major bills.
I'll say it again, if health care was what the Democrats wanted, it could be passed with less than three or four hundred pages. One example of completely unnecessary, unrelated garbage, just from browsing the table of contents (itself long enough to be a major bill): SEC. 2243. COORDINATION OF DIVERSITY AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY PROGRAMS. WTF does that have to do with providing access to "good, affordable" health care for every American? NOTHING! Here's another one: SEC. 2572. NUTRITION LABELING OF STANDARD MENU ITEMS AT CHAIN RESTAURANTS AND OF ARTICLES OF FOOD SOLD FROM VENDING MACHINES. Again, this has diddly squat to do with providing health care. This bill really is what the Republican say it is: a total takeover by the Federal government of every aspect of the health industry, and then some.
And another thing; would it really be unreasonable to require that the members actually read the bills they're voting on? This bill was introduced less than two weeks ago. That's not enough time to digest 1,990 pages and understand what all is in it. It should be flushed on this reason alone, if other reasons weren't good enough.
I'm done ranting for tonight. Maybe the Senate can restore some sanity.
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| BSH, I'm totally in agreement with you. I couldn't even get the first set of 1000 pages of this House bill (only printed off 400) so how can we believe that every single representative even read the whole darn 1900 page monster. I believe even their staff members didn't digest it. I haven't any faith in the Senate's bill either. So we will be sticking our young people with astronomical financial burdens, and will cost millions of dollars and more stolen money out of Medicare. And worst of all, the real problems with our health care system will still be uncorrected. Tort law problems, drug company inflated prices, grants given to drug companies for research and citizens still charged higher prices then other countries. Medicare restricted from negotiating drug prices and medical costs, and of course the failure to prevent or catch medicare fraud. And even worse, is the false and mis-leading promise that it will only cost less then 900 billion over 10 years. Huh, after that who pays the bills? Our young people that's who. Thank you Dems.
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Thanks for putting me in jail if I don't buy health insurance. If those tissues are free then I'll take a whole box....'cause it looks like my monthly expenses are gonna get waaaaay heavier pretty soon.
But I reckon that's an easy way to make sure everyone gets coverage, eh?
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vakidmazo (11/8/2009)
BSH, I'm totally in agreement with you. I couldn't even get the first set of 1000 pages of this House bill (only printed off 400) so how can we believe that every single representative even read the whole darn 1900 page monster. I believe even their staff members didn't digest it. I haven't any faith in the Senate's bill either. So we will be sticking our young people with astronomical financial burdens, and will cost millions of dollars and more stolen money out of Medicare. And worst of all, the real problems with our health care system will still be uncorrected. Tort law problems, drug company inflated prices, grants given to drug companies for research and citizens still charged higher prices then other countries. Medicare restricted from negotiating drug prices and medical costs, and of course the failure to prevent or catch medicare fraud. And even worse, is the false and mis-leading promise that it will only cost less then 900 billion over 10 years. Huh, after that who pays the bills? Our young people that's who. Thank you Dems.
Typical Republican Fear tactics to protect profits & kickbacks
"Tort law problems". Republicans don't favor any regulations of any kind. Its like a football game with out referees. As long as you are making big profits and giving Republican candidates kickbacks, you can do whatever you want.
"sticking our young people with astronomical financial burdens" - What do you think is happening now? Health insurance rates keep going up year after year, and insurance companies pay less and less every year.
I'm surprised Sarah Palin's "Death Panels" weren't brought up. The real death panels are the private insurers who deny claims over just about anything.
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purplepenquin (11/8/2009)
Thanks for putting me in jail if I don't buy health insurance.
Do you really believe that is going to happen? Are you really that paranoid?
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Literate (11/8/2009)
[quote]Do you really believe that is going to happen?
Yes. Despite your (and other liberals on this board) constant claims that citizens will not be required to purchase health insurance, it is in the HouseBill that was passed.
What leads you to beleive it will be removed before the President signs it?
Are you really that paranoid?
It's not paranioa....it states in the bill that people will be required to purchase health insurance. You should actually look into what was passed before you mock people for commenting on it's contents; sounds like your information is dated.
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purplepenquin (11/8/2009)
Literate (11/8/2009)
[quote]Do you really believe that is going to happen?
Yes. Despite your (and other liberals on this board) constant claims that citizens will not be required to purchase health insurance, it is in the HouseBill that was passed.
What leads you to beleive it will be removed before the President signs it?
Are you really that paranoid?
It's not paranioa....it states in the bill that people will be required to purchase health insurance. You should actually look into what was passed before you mock people for commenting on it's contents; sounds like your information is dated.
You said "jail" time so show me where that is a possibility. Back up you words with facts, if you can.
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Literate (11/8/2009)
You said "jail" time so show me where that is a possibility. Back up you words with facts, if you can.
Let me make sure I understand this: You have no idea...one way or the other...if the current bill says that failure to purchase health insurance may result in jailtime yet you mock & ridicule me anyways for commenting about it? Seriousily?! The only question in my mind is Are you even aware that you are playing these grade-school games or is it being done as an automatic reflex?
Tell ya what...before I go ahead and do yet another Google-search for you (one of these days, someone is gonna have to show you how to use a search engine) answer me this: What difference will it make to you once my comments are shown to be correct?
Are you really interested in learning more about this new policy being enacted so you can perhaps change your opinion or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Please clarify...and I'll respond accordingly.
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| No one will go to jail for not buying mandatory insurance, regardless of what the bill may say. There's no place to put them, and even if there was, you'd hear screams of "debtor's prisons", "guilty of the crime of poverty", etc. And since coverage cannot be denied, many people will simply wait to buy it until they discover they have a problem. The health insurance industry will quickly collapse (to the cheers of millions) and we'll have no choice but to go to single payer. Which was the plan all along.
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